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	<title>Comments on: Basics - Opening the RAW file in Photoshop - Why 16 Bits?</title>
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		<title>By: Jesper Garde</title>
		<link>http://articles.j-roumagnac.net/english/digital-photography-postprocessing/basics-opening-the-raw-file-in-photoshop-why-16-bits/#comment-578</link>
		<author>Jesper Garde</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 20:46:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for an informative article. I have one question I hope you'll be able to help me with.

When I know I need to do a lot of processing of a RAW file I open it at 16 bit in Photoshop. Now when I'm done and need to save as jpg to put on my photoblog I first convert to 8 bit and 'save for web' as a jpg.

This often causes the photo to go very 'flat'. A lot of the colour and lumination is lost. I understand 8 bit is a lot smaller colour space than 16 bit, but it still should not be that different. For example I can open the jpg and increase saturation and contrast and get a lot closer to what it looked like before I converted the 16 bit file.

Do you have a work flow to avoid this?

Thanks,
Jesper Garde

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&lt;span&gt;Julien : &lt;/span&gt;
Yes, your problem is a very common one and has nothing to do with 8bits or 16bits ;) .
You probably edit you picture in another profil than sRGB which is the default format for web export. There are good chances that you edit it in AdobeRGB or ProPhoto RGB which is a good thing, but you need to convert it to the standard web profile (sRGB) before saving it.
1. Save your source PSD file
2. Flatten picture (Layer &gt; Flatten image)
3. Resize picture to the desired web format (Image &gt; image size)
4. Convert image color profile (Edit &gt; Convert to Profil ...&gt; Destination Space : sRGB IEC61966-2.1) (note that you can see in "source space" the profile you were using)
5. Convert image to 8 Bits (Image &gt; Mode &gt; 8Bits / Channel)
6. Use  "File &gt; Save As" instead of save for web (save for web is more a web designer tool), you will preserve your EXIF metadata
Voilà!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for an informative article. I have one question I hope you&#8217;ll be able to help me with.</p>
<p>When I know I need to do a lot of processing of a RAW file I open it at 16 bit in Photoshop. Now when I&#8217;m done and need to save as jpg to put on my photoblog I first convert to 8 bit and &#8217;save for web&#8217; as a jpg.</p>
<p>This often causes the photo to go very &#8216;flat&#8217;. A lot of the colour and lumination is lost. I understand 8 bit is a lot smaller colour space than 16 bit, but it still should not be that different. For example I can open the jpg and increase saturation and contrast and get a lot closer to what it looked like before I converted the 16 bit file.</p>
<p>Do you have a work flow to avoid this?</p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
Jesper Garde</p>
<p class="jr">
<span>Julien : </span><br />
Yes, your problem is a very common one and has nothing to do with 8bits or 16bits <img src='http://articles.j-roumagnac.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> .<br />
You probably edit you picture in another profil than sRGB which is the default format for web export. There are good chances that you edit it in AdobeRGB or ProPhoto RGB which is a good thing, but you need to convert it to the standard web profile (sRGB) before saving it.<br />
1. Save your source PSD file<br />
2. Flatten picture (Layer > Flatten image)<br />
3. Resize picture to the desired web format (Image > image size)<br />
4. Convert image color profile (Edit > Convert to Profil &#8230;> Destination Space : sRGB IEC61966-2.1) (note that you can see in &#8220;source space&#8221; the profile you were using)<br />
5. Convert image to 8 Bits (Image > Mode > 8Bits / Channel)<br />
6. Use  &#8220;File > Save As&#8221; instead of save for web (save for web is more a web designer tool), you will preserve your EXIF metadata<br />
Voilà!</p>
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		<title>By: Fotografía con flash en alta velocidad &#171; DanCL&#8217;s Weblog</title>
		<link>http://articles.j-roumagnac.net/english/digital-photography-postprocessing/basics-opening-the-raw-file-in-photoshop-why-16-bits/#comment-536</link>
		<author>Fotografía con flash en alta velocidad &#171; DanCL&#8217;s Weblog</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 06:13:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] que el sensor me entrega. Este formato permite de realizar un mejor post-procesamiento (why?) más que es normalmente necesario en estos casos, sobre todo al usar agua que es transparente y [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Juan Carlos Herrera</title>
		<link>http://articles.j-roumagnac.net/english/digital-photography-postprocessing/basics-opening-the-raw-file-in-photoshop-why-16-bits/#comment-493</link>
		<author>Juan Carlos Herrera</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many thanks, I work in 8 bit and I have many problems with artifacting. do you have recomentations?

&lt;p class="jr"&gt;
&lt;span&gt;Julien : &lt;/span&gt;Yes, edit in 16 bits :). If you are talking of JPG artifacts then shoot in RAW.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many thanks, I work in 8 bit and I have many problems with artifacting. do you have recomentations?</p>
<p class="jr">
<span>Julien : </span>Yes, edit in 16 bits :). If you are talking of JPG artifacts then shoot in RAW.</p>
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		<title>By: serkant</title>
		<link>http://articles.j-roumagnac.net/english/digital-photography-postprocessing/basics-opening-the-raw-file-in-photoshop-why-16-bits/#comment-481</link>
		<author>serkant</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 19:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://articles.j-roumagnac.net/english/digital-photography-postprocessing/basics-opening-the-raw-file-in-photoshop-why-16-bits/#comment-481</guid>
		<description>my biggest problem is b&#38;W,i dont like my D70s's b&#38;w results in photoshop,but i love your b&#38;W tones,i d like know your illusion on your b&#38;w photos..thanks

&lt;p class="jr"&gt;
&lt;span&gt;Julien : &lt;/span&gt;I take all picture in RAW (color), results are due to the conversion and post-processing under photoshop, I will post a black and white tutorial in the near future, but right now I don't have enough time :&#124; &lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>my biggest problem is b&amp;W,i dont like my D70s&#8217;s b&amp;w results in photoshop,but i love your b&amp;W tones,i d like know your illusion on your b&amp;w photos..thanks</p>
<p class="jr">
<span>Julien : </span>I take all picture in RAW (color), results are due to the conversion and post-processing under photoshop, I will post a black and white tutorial in the near future, but right now I don&#8217;t have enough time <img src='http://articles.j-roumagnac.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_neutral.gif' alt=':|' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Oliver</title>
		<link>http://articles.j-roumagnac.net/english/digital-photography-postprocessing/basics-opening-the-raw-file-in-photoshop-why-16-bits/#comment-96</link>
		<author>Oliver</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 21:49:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://articles.j-roumagnac.net/english/digital-photography-postprocessing/basics-opening-the-raw-file-in-photoshop-why-16-bits/#comment-96</guid>
		<description>Bonjour Julien! 

Fantastique petit tutoriel que tu nous présentes là! Je vais le conseiller à plusieurs amis graphistes et photographes. Continue ton excellent travail comme photographe et comme rédacteur de ces bons petits tutoriels :).


P.S. Petite rectification à débattre: Je suis graphiste et selon mes cours de couleur, l'oeil humain ne discerne environ que 200 tons de gris, du noir au blanc.

&lt;p class="jr"&gt;
&lt;span&gt;Julien : &lt;/span&gt;Merci pour cette info Olivier, effectivement ça reste à débattre mais je n'en ferais rien puisque les diverses sources que j'ai pu voir à ce sujet disent toutes des choses différentes et semblent être sûres qu'elles ont raison ... mais c'est pas bien important ;)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bonjour Julien! </p>
<p>Fantastique petit tutoriel que tu nous présentes là! Je vais le conseiller à plusieurs amis graphistes et photographes. Continue ton excellent travail comme photographe et comme rédacteur de ces bons petits tutoriels :).</p>
<p>P.S. Petite rectification à débattre: Je suis graphiste et selon mes cours de couleur, l&#8217;oeil humain ne discerne environ que 200 tons de gris, du noir au blanc.</p>
<p class="jr">
<span>Julien : </span>Merci pour cette info Olivier, effectivement ça reste à débattre mais je n&#8217;en ferais rien puisque les diverses sources que j&#8217;ai pu voir à ce sujet disent toutes des choses différentes et semblent être sûres qu&#8217;elles ont raison &#8230; mais c&#8217;est pas bien important <img src='http://articles.j-roumagnac.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Graeme Baynes</title>
		<link>http://articles.j-roumagnac.net/english/digital-photography-postprocessing/basics-opening-the-raw-file-in-photoshop-why-16-bits/#comment-27</link>
		<author>Graeme Baynes</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 12:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://articles.j-roumagnac.net/english/digital-photography-postprocessing/basics-opening-the-raw-file-in-photoshop-why-16-bits/#comment-27</guid>
		<description>G'day from Australia Julien, thankyou for this tutorial. I have only usually worked in 8 bit and never really understood the difference (mainly because I couldn't see any on the screen :). I have a question about your masking and layering process (if you are willing to reveal your trade secret)? Do you use a duplicate layer to modify? How do you use masking as I have tried a small amount but really struggle with it? Hope you can help with another tutorial. regards Graeme

&lt;p class="jr"&gt;
&lt;span&gt;Julien : &lt;/span&gt;I try to have the less possible real picture. Most of the time I only have my original as the first layer and adjustment layers above it with masks. However, sometimes, I need to duplicate the original for some specific destructive filters like denoisers.
&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>G&#8217;day from Australia Julien, thankyou for this tutorial. I have only usually worked in 8 bit and never really understood the difference (mainly because I couldn&#8217;t see any on the screen :). I have a question about your masking and layering process (if you are willing to reveal your trade secret)? Do you use a duplicate layer to modify? How do you use masking as I have tried a small amount but really struggle with it? Hope you can help with another tutorial. regards Graeme</p>
<p class="jr">
<span>Julien : </span>I try to have the less possible real picture. Most of the time I only have my original as the first layer and adjustment layers above it with masks. However, sometimes, I need to duplicate the original for some specific destructive filters like denoisers.</p>
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